From raihan at makkays.com Sat Nov 6 13:26:57 2004 From: raihan at makkays.com (raihan at makkays.com) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:26:57 +0500 Subject: [VPN] AS VPN Message-ID: Dear Sir I would like to have some information regarding AS VPN. Please explain the AS VPN (Authentication Services VPN in details? Does the Nortel Contivity equipment in the industry supports this? Looking forward for your valuable response in this regard. Kind Regards Raihan Ahmad Communication Team Manager ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Makkays Tel: +92-(0)51-111 100 800 (Ext.149) Kulsum Plaza, Fax: +92-(0)51-265 37 11 42 Jinnah Avenue, Mobile: +92-(0)300-854 51 57 Islamabad, Email: raihan at makkays.com Pakistan. 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From johan.andersson at atea.com Tue Nov 9 02:50:14 2004 From: johan.andersson at atea.com (Andersson Johan) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:50:14 +0100 Subject: [VPN] Netscreen 5XP / Netscreen Remote / Linksys WRK54G Message-ID: Chris, Log in to the CLI and set the following commands below! Set flow tcp-mss 1400 This will fixe your issue! Regards Johan Andersson From johan.andersson at atea.com Tue Nov 9 03:06:53 2004 From: johan.andersson at atea.com (Andersson Johan) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:06:53 +0100 Subject: [VPN] JNSR with Ravotek Wireless PCMCIA card Message-ID: Hi, Is there any one out there that have seen any issues with the Ravotek Wireless cards together with JNSR (Juniper NetScreen Remote)? Yours Sincerely Med v?nlig h?lsning Johan Andersson _______________________________ Johan Andersson Atea Security Box 1495 R?sundav?gen 18 171 29 Solna Phone: + 46 8 470 80 00 Fax: + 46 8 470 81 00 Direct line: + 46 8 470 80 19 Mobile: + 46 8 470 80 19 Mail: johan.andersson at atea.com Web: http://www.atea.se Web: http://www.ateasecurity.com From exo_wa at yahoo.com Wed Nov 10 23:35:00 2004 From: exo_wa at yahoo.com (Exo Wa) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:35:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [VPN] Cannot ping across the subnet... Message-ID: <20041111043500.80065.qmail@web21003.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I have one NT domain on one subnet sitting behind a Netscreen 25 Firewall. Recently, our DHCP server appears to be running out of the ip distribution; so i decided to create a new scope on a different network by using the common gateway and dns. Clients in this new subnet can get to the Internet as well as logging into the same domain with no problem. My scenario: Ethernet 3=Untrust Ethernet 1=Trust Current IP range:192.168.1.0 Gateway: 10.1.1.1 NEW IP range: 192.168.2.0 Gateway: 10.1.1.1 Note: because clients on both 192.168.1.0 and 192.168.2.0 use the same gateway and dns, they both can get to the Internet just find. The .2 CAN even ping the .1, however, the .1 clients cannot ping the .2 To try to resolve this issue, I am assuming i have to route it but i am not quite sure how and where to do it. Should i do it on the NT domain server or in the Netscreen 25 Firewall. I tried to add virtual route in the Netscreen, but i couldn't get it to work. Do i have to create policy for this as well? Can someone shed some light on this? Thank you so much in advance. -Exo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From mahesh.kudva at robosoftin.com Wed Nov 10 23:57:11 2004 From: mahesh.kudva at robosoftin.com (Mahesh S Kudva) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:27:11 +0530 Subject: [VPN] MAC Authentication Message-ID: Dear All I have a PIX firewall with PPTP VPN. Is it possible for me to have a MAC based authentication along with the normal username/password authentication. Thanks in advance Regards & Thanks ================ Mahesh S Kudva From johan.andersson at atea.com Thu Nov 11 02:46:10 2004 From: johan.andersson at atea.com (Andersson Johan) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:46:10 +0100 Subject: [VPN] Cannot ping across the subnet... Message-ID: Exo, Long time no see, In the route where you have 10.1.1.1 you have to add a route for the traffic from and to 192.168.1.x/x to 192.168.2.x/x is 10.1.1.1 your firewall (JuniperNetScreen-25)? Yours Sincerely Johan Andersson From jeremy.oliver at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 09:19:22 2004 From: jeremy.oliver at gmail.com (jeremy oliver) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:19:22 -0600 Subject: [VPN] bandwidth of a vpn tunnel Message-ID: <1e999fbc04111106194725d815@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have any info on what type of bandwidth that a vpn tunnel takes up? I am creating new lan to lan vpn tunnels all the time and I am beginning to worry about the T1 that I have running into the main office. This T also serves many web sites as well as Internet access for the rest of the company. I just want to see when I should start to worry and need some fire power to take to the boss. Jeremy Oliver From byazji at psualum.com Fri Nov 12 10:16:35 2004 From: byazji at psualum.com (Bill Yazji) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:16:35 -0600 Subject: [VPN] bandwidth of a vpn tunnel In-Reply-To: <1e999fbc04111106194725d815@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Your question is quite vague. Is your VPN tunnel being used for a control ping to a remote server, or streaming porn movies to 10000 users? What kind of VPN tunnel is it - IPSec, PPTP ??? You don't have nearly enough information in this to get a even remotely close answer.. ~Bill -----Original Message----- From: vpn-bounces+byazji=psualum.com at lists.shmoo.com [mailto:vpn-bounces+byazji=psualum.com at lists.shmoo.com] On Behalf Of jeremy oliver Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:19 AM To: VPN at lists.shmoo.com Subject: [VPN] bandwidth of a vpn tunnel Does anyone have any info on what type of bandwidth that a vpn tunnel takes up? I am creating new lan to lan vpn tunnels all the time and I am beginning to worry about the T1 that I have running into the main office. This T also serves many web sites as well as Internet access for the rest of the company. I just want to see when I should start to worry and need some fire power to take to the boss. Jeremy Oliver _______________________________________________ VPN mailing list VPN at lists.shmoo.com http://lists.shmoo.com/mailman/listinfo/vpn From jeremy.oliver at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 10:47:47 2004 From: jeremy.oliver at gmail.com (jeremy oliver) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:47:47 -0600 Subject: [VPN] bandwidth of a vpn tunnel In-Reply-To: References: <1e999fbc04111106194725d815@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1e999fbc04111207475e42ee51@mail.gmail.com> Well I have several IPSEC VPN tunnels created between remote locations back to my corporate office. I am adding more such tunnels everyday and was wanting to figure out a way to see how much bandwidth a tunnel eats up. There are anywhere from 2-80 users at the remote facilities who are using the tunnel for email and other production applications. Hopefully that is clear enough. On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:16:35 -0600, Bill Yazji wrote: > Your question is quite vague. Is your VPN tunnel being used for a control > ping to a remote server, or streaming porn movies to 10000 users? > > What kind of VPN tunnel is it - IPSec, PPTP ??? > > You don't have nearly enough information in this to get a even remotely > close answer.. > > ~Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vpn-bounces+byazji=psualum.com at lists.shmoo.com > [mailto:vpn-bounces+byazji=psualum.com at lists.shmoo.com] On Behalf Of jeremy > oliver > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:19 AM > To: VPN at lists.shmoo.com > Subject: [VPN] bandwidth of a vpn tunnel > > Does anyone have any info on what type of bandwidth that a vpn tunnel takes > up? I am creating new lan to lan vpn tunnels all the time and I am > beginning to worry about the T1 that I have running into the main office. > This T also serves many web sites as well as Internet access for the rest of > the company. I just want to see when I should start to worry and need some > fire power to take to the boss. > > Jeremy Oliver > _______________________________________________ > VPN mailing list > VPN at lists.shmoo.com > http://lists.shmoo.com/mailman/listinfo/vpn > > From evyncke at cisco.com Sun Nov 14 14:08:03 2004 From: evyncke at cisco.com (Eric Vyncke) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:08:03 +0100 Subject: [VPN] bandwidth of a vpn tunnel In-Reply-To: <1e999fbc04111207475e42ee51@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e999fbc04111106194725d815@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041114200517.00c171f0@127.0.0.1> You need to know your packet size distribution and what kind of IPsec transform (tunnel/transport ESP/AH ...) is used. The later gives you the overhead per packet. If your average packet size is large, the IPsec overhead will not cause a bandwidth issue provided that your clear text bandwidth is OK. If your average packet size is small (like < 200), the IPsec overhead can be a major issue is your bandwidth utilization is already high. NB: the above assumed that your VPN equipment have enough CPU/HW acceleration to handle the require bandwidth Hope this helps -eric At 09:47 12/11/2004 -0600, jeremy oliver wrote: >Well I have several IPSEC VPN tunnels created between remote locations >back to my corporate office. I am adding more such tunnels everyday >and was wanting to figure out a way to see how much bandwidth a tunnel >eats up. There are anywhere from 2-80 users at the remote facilities >who are using the tunnel for email and other production applications. >Hopefully that is clear enough. > > >On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:16:35 -0600, Bill Yazji wrote: >> Your question is quite vague. Is your VPN tunnel being used for a control >> ping to a remote server, or streaming porn movies to 10000 users? >> >> What kind of VPN tunnel is it - IPSec, PPTP ??? >> >> You don't have nearly enough information in this to get a even remotely >> close answer.. >> >> ~Bill >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: vpn-bounces+byazji=psualum.com at lists.shmoo.com >> [mailto:vpn-bounces+byazji=psualum.com at lists.shmoo.com] On Behalf Of jeremy >> oliver >> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:19 AM >> To: VPN at lists.shmoo.com >> Subject: [VPN] bandwidth of a vpn tunnel >> >> Does anyone have any info on what type of bandwidth that a vpn tunnel takes >> up? I am creating new lan to lan vpn tunnels all the time and I am >> beginning to worry about the T1 that I have running into the main office. >> This T also serves many web sites as well as Internet access for the rest of >> the company. I just want to see when I should start to worry and need some >> fire power to take to the boss. >> >> Jeremy Oliver >> _______________________________________________ >> VPN mailing list >> VPN at lists.shmoo.com >> http://lists.shmoo.com/mailman/listinfo/vpn >> >> >_______________________________________________ >VPN mailing list >VPN at lists.shmoo.com >http://lists.shmoo.com/mailman/listinfo/vpn From fortechystuff at yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 17 10:18:34 2004 From: fortechystuff at yahoo.co.uk (tictac toe) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:18:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [VPN] decrypting an ESP packet Message-ID: <20041117151834.60561.qmail@web25201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi I am trying to implement a vpn client. Now i am implementing IPSEC and am facing a problem with the ESP packet format. I understand that the payload and ESP trailer are encrypted. I am able to identify the SPI and Sequence number fields in the ESP header. The problems are: 1) While stripping the payload which is of variable length, i am unable to find out where the payload ends since, there is no option of extracting the payload's length in any field. I am using the AES algorithm for encryption & SHA for hashing. 2) In the AES algorithm, i would like to know the size of the output blocks irrespective of the key size (128/192/256 bits) and the block size (128/192/256 bits). Any inputs? thanks and regards ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From shiju.jacob at intila.com Fri Nov 19 02:09:56 2004 From: shiju.jacob at intila.com (Shiju Jacob) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:39:56 +0530 Subject: [VPN] VPN Help Message-ID: <001101c4ce06$c66a08e0$6080ca0a@asia.ad.flextronics.com> Hi group I am new to VPN on Linux can u send me some very good links for vpn server setup on Linux . Thanks & Regards Shiju Jacob Intila System New Bridge, Business Center No # 40, Ulsoor Road, Bangalore - 560 042 Karnataka, India http://www.intila.com E-mail : shiju.jacob at intila.com Tel: +91-80-2532-5800 Fax: +91-80-2532-5900 From fortechystuff at yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 19 06:11:23 2004 From: fortechystuff at yahoo.co.uk (tictac toe) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:11:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [VPN] help regarding vpn client Message-ID: <20041119111123.7467.qmail@web25206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> hi i did like to know if someone could help me with writing a vpn client over mobile ip. if not the mobile ip, i looking for help to write just a vpn client. I know the steps from IKE, IPSec to replay protection but i don't exactly understand how i can modify the same packet while performing the each step. regards ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From gloom_expellant at yahoo.com Sun Nov 21 04:25:16 2004 From: gloom_expellant at yahoo.com (Afrah Ahmed) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 01:25:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [VPN] Netscreen 500 Firewall & PIX Cisco firewall Message-ID: <20041121092516.83655.qmail@web54701.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I need urgent help to establish Policy-Based VPN between our Netscreen 500 Firewall & PIX Cisco Firewall at the other end. Can any body help me with this please ? Is something wrong with my settings ? Why the VPN doesn?t come up at both sides ? We want to configure a bi-directional Policy-Based VPN between a server in the ?DMZ Zone? in our Netscreen 500 firewall and a server on the Internet ?Untrust Zone?. Our sever (which is in the DMZ Zone) has a MIP on the ?Untrust Interface? and therefore in the ?Global Zone?. Our problem is that we can?t establish the bi-directional policy if we started configuring ?Untrust ?to Global? policy; i.e. we it gives us error. However we can establish bi-directional policy if we configure ?Untrust-to-DMZ? policy, but no IP address translation to our server IP address. Both ?DMZ? & ?Untrust? Interfaces are in the ?Route? mode. Blow is our configuration Zones & Intefaces Settings : set zone "Untrust" vrouter "untrust-vr" set zone "DMZ" vrouter "untrust-vr" set interface ethernet2/1 ip 192.168.36.1/24 set interface ethernet2/1 route set interface ethernet2/2 ip 193.188.117.65/29 set interface ethernet2/2 route set interface "ethernet2/2" mip 217.17.247.52 host 192.168.36.37 netmask 255.255.255.255 vrouter "trust-vr" set interface "ethernet2/2" mip 217.17.247.53 host 192.168.36.39 netmask 255.255.255.255 vrouter "trust-vr" Addresses Settings : set address "Untrust" "213.139.63.207/32" 213.139.63.207 255.255.255.255 set address "Untrust" "MobileCom1" 213.139.63.200 255.255.255.255 set address "Untrust" "MobileCom2" 213.139.63.201 255.255.255.255 set address "Untrust" "MobileComIn" 213.139.63.207 255.255.255.255 set address "DMZ" "Mail In" 192.168.36.39 255.255.255.255 set address "DMZ" "Mail Out" 192.168.36.37 255.255.255.255 set group address "Untrust" "MobileCom" set group address "Untrust" "MobileCom" add "MobileCom1" set group address "Untrust" "MobileCom" add "MobileCom2" set group address "DMZ" "MMS MTA" set group address "DMZ" "MMS MTA" add "Mail In" set group address "DMZ" "MMS MTA" add "Mail Out" VPN Settings : set ike gateway "MobileCom-GW" address 213.139.32.52 Main outgoing-interface "ethernet2/2" preshare "" proposal "pre-g2-3des-sha" set ike gateway "MobileCom-GW" cert peer-cert-type pkcs7 set ike respond-bad-spi 1 set ike p2-proposal "Mobilecom-P2" group2 esp 3des sha-1 second 3600 kbyte 4194303 set vpn " MobileCom-VPN " gateway "MobileCom-GW" no-replay tunnel idletime 0 proposal "Mobilecom-P2" Policies : set policy id 103 from "Untrust" to "Global" "MobileCom" "MIP(217.17.247.53)" "ANY" tunnel vpn "MobileCom-VPN" id 96 log count set policy id 102 from "DMZ" to "Untrust" "Mail Out" "MobileComIn" "ANY" tunnel vpn "MobileCom-VPN" id 101 log count --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Discover all that?s new in My Yahoo! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/vpn/attachments/20041121/e8abde43/attachment.htm From tknorris at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 22 06:53:33 2004 From: tknorris at sbcglobal.net (Terry Norris) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 03:53:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [VPN] LAN-TO-LAN VPN Between NetScreen-100 and Cisco PIX Message-ID: <20041122115333.83439.qmail@web81607.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone have information regarding this type of configuration? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/vpn/attachments/20041122/f9e8410f/attachment.htm From jwalker at masterlink.com Thu Nov 25 01:41:11 2004 From: jwalker at masterlink.com (Joseph Walker) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:41:11 -0600 Subject: [VPN] VPN between Netscreen 5 and Netscreen 1000 Message-ID: <41A57E87.1010405@masterlink.com> I hope someone can help me out here. I am trying to connect to my work LAN from my home pc over a cable Internet connection with a dynamic IP. My home network is behind a Netscreen 5 and our LAN is behind a Netscreen 1000. I can't establish a connection for the life of me. Do I need a remote vpn client or can I just go straight through the NS5? I have set up the VPN gateway, IKE and incoming and outgoing policies on the NS5 and 1000 but it still doesn't work. Any suggestions? Hints? Documentation? I really appreciate your input. JW From babukvb at rediffmail.com Thu Nov 25 02:10:27 2004 From: babukvb at rediffmail.com (ButchiBabu Kommineni) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:10:27 -0000 Subject: [VPN] linux pptpd - win2k client - data encription Message-ID: <20041125070944.12475.qmail@webmail46.rediffmail.com> Hi all, I have setup a pptp box on linux 2.6.9 kernel ppp 2.4.3 both patched with mppe patch and am running pptpd 1.2.1 from winnt4.0 client when I disable data encription I am able to get throught the verification process and am finally connecting to the network. but when I enable encription in the dialer or when I try to connect from a win2k client I am not able to get though the authentication process and am getting the below log in the /var/log/messages. Nov 25 11:46:27 vpn pptpd[4728]: CTRL: Starting call (launching pppd, opening GRE) Nov 25 11:46:27 vpn pppd[4729]: pppd 2.4.3 started by root, uid 0 Nov 25 11:46:27 vpn pppd[4729]: Using interface ppp0 Nov 25 11:46:27 vpn pppd[4729]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/1 Nov 25 11:46:30 vpn pppd[4729]: Received bad configure-rej: 03 05 c2 23 81 Nov 25 11:46:42 vpn last message repeated 4 times Nov 25 11:46:45 vpn pppd[4729]: Modem hangup Nov 25 11:46:45 vpn pppd[4729]: Connection terminated. Nov 25 11:46:45 vpn pppd[4729]: Exit. Kindly help me to fix this problem Regards, Babu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/vpn/attachments/20041125/369047bf/attachment.htm From arek at datamex.com Thu Nov 25 14:16:05 2004 From: arek at datamex.com (Arek Kulczynski) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:16:05 -0500 Subject: [VPN] VPN between Netscreen 5 and Netscreen 1000 In-Reply-To: <41A57E87.1010405@masterlink.com> Message-ID: <20041125191605.C3801168F@mail.iocaine.com> Take a look at the event log on the responder (the NS-1000). It will give you an indication as to where the negotiation is failing. If you could put in a snippet of the log file showing the negotiation, it would be very helpful in troubleshooting this. Arek -----Original Message----- From: vpn-bounces+arek=datamex.com at lists.shmoo.com [mailto:vpn-bounces+arek=datamex.com at lists.shmoo.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Walker Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 1:41 AM To: vpn at lists.shmoo.com Subject: [VPN] VPN between Netscreen 5 and Netscreen 1000 I hope someone can help me out here. I am trying to connect to my work LAN from my home pc over a cable Internet connection with a dynamic IP. My home network is behind a Netscreen 5 and our LAN is behind a Netscreen 1000. I can't establish a connection for the life of me. Do I need a remote vpn client or can I just go straight through the NS5? I have set up the VPN gateway, IKE and incoming and outgoing policies on the NS5 and 1000 but it still doesn't work. Any suggestions? Hints? Documentation? I really appreciate your input. JW _______________________________________________ VPN mailing list VPN at lists.shmoo.com http://lists.shmoo.com/mailman/listinfo/vpn From paul at dube.net Tue Nov 30 20:14:29 2004 From: paul at dube.net (Dube, Paul) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:14:29 -0500 Subject: [VPN] VPN with Exchange issue Message-ID: <41AD1AF5.4010403@dube.net> Greetings all, I have a client that is presenting me with a new issue for which I do not yet have all the facts. I will be on site tomorrow and hope to at least get those. However, from what I have gathered so far, they are using Outlook and Exchange with a custom developed application using public folders. The data in the public folders must be available when not connected so it must use the 'available offline' aspect of that combination. I am not completely familiar with Outlook/Exchange but I believe that this synchronization of content only transpires when using the native connect mode which is not commonly available without a VPN. My client is using the Shiva VPN client to connect to the LAN and access the Exchange server. The issue arises when they are in a hotel or other location with a LAN in the same subnet (192.169.1.255) and there is a machine on the LAN at the same IP address as the exchange server on the corporate LAN. I am wondering if simply putting the Exchange server on an IP unlikely to be assigned to a machine on another LAN, using a reserved address and 1-1 NAT, or routing the connection over an SSH redirect would be a workable solution. I am also wondering if the issue only arises due to an oversight in initial implementation and the Shiva VPN can be configured to route all requests on the specified ports over the VPN to a remote machine, ignoring any local machine with the same IP address. Thank in advance, Paul Dube Paul Dube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: paul.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 1065 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/vpn/attachments/20041130/21fcda3f/attachment.vcf