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[Mike Forrester]

I talked to a @Work sales rep and they gave me the same $99.95/mo quote, but
also said that there is a $200 setup cost.  They said that this setup charge
applies even if you already have @Home service.  Sounds like a load 'o crap
to me...

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: VPN Mailing List [mailto:VPN at SECURITYFOCUS.COM]On Behalf Of
> Morris, Jason
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:03 PM
> To: VPN at SECURITYFOCUS.COM
> Subject: Re: Help
>
>
> In San Diego the @home rate is $49.95 (with a $10 discount if you
> have cable
> TV), and the @work rate is $99.95.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Chowning [mailto:schowning at HOME.COM]
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:31 AM
> To: VPN at SECURITYFOCUS.COM
> Subject: Re: Help
>
>
> Does anyone have a ballpark idea what an upgrade to @work costs? I have
> tried to
> look on ATT's website, but they just want me to submit a request for a
> quote. I
> don't mind paying more as long as the rate is commensurate with my usage.
> Most
> of the "pitch" on the website seems to be aimed at the larger
> companies, T1,
> T3,
> etc., and this is much more bandwidth (and thus cost) than I need, I
> believe,
> and makes me expect a large quote.. Again, forgive any ignorance
> on my part
> in
> these matters. And thanks to EVERYONE that replied. You all have been most
> helpful.
>
> Kevin O'Brien wrote:
>
> > Stephen,
> > We have several people using cable modems to connect to various
> corporate
> > networks using VPN.  Since Comcast is aggregate of several
> different cable
> > systems one system might be enforcing whereas the other is not.  I'm
> trying
> > to get more information currently from our user base as to which systems
> > they are actually using via(comcast) and whether or not this is being
> > enforced and I will post it to the list.  A rep from Comcast told me
> > recently at a tradeshow that they are not actually enforcing this but
> hoping
> > that telecommuters upgrade to the @work package, but I might stand
> corrected
> > reading some of these postings.  By the way we are utilizing the SafeNet
> > Speed Fe and SafeNet Soft IPSec clients for remote access.
> >
> > Here is a previous posting from a list participant which you might find
> > useful:
> >
> > Some of our users can not make VPN work. For example one of our
> subscribers
> > was recently notified by his cable company they were changing
> their policy
> > re VPN; specifically Section 6 B VIII of the new Comcast at Home
> Cable Modem
> > Internet connection Subscriber Agreement (effective 9/15/00)
> prohibits the
> > use of VPNs or VPN tunneling protocols. (The entire Service Agreement at
> > http://www.comcastonline.com/clr-agreement-v3.pdf.) Presumably this is
> done
> > by either turning off specific protocols or ports. We were lucky he read
> the
> > fine print in a recent e-mail. Not sure how we would figured it out
> > otherwise. Other users get different levels of performance (it's slow)
> than
> > others. We are guessing that somewhere in the path some percentage of
> > packets are being discarded?
> >
> > Is there a tool set that will quickly tell us if VPN will or won't work
> for
> > a specific subscriber to a specific location. Presumably the tool set
> would
> > include a client that runs in the subscribers PC which sends
> and receives
> > messages (or attempts to)  using all of the relevant port numbers and
> > protocols to a server. What we are calling a "VPN Ping". If not can you
> > recommend someone who can developed the tool?
> >
> > Kevin O'Brien
> > CapuNet
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: VPN Mailing List [mailto:VPN at SECURITYFOCUS.COM]On Behalf Of
> > Stephen Chowning
> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 5:05 PM
> > To: VPN at SECURITYFOCUS.COM
> > Subject: Re: Help
> >
> > Forgive my ignorance here, but my cable modem is "always on" and the
> > connection was purchased as
> > if for home use, however it is primarily used for internet access for my
> > home-based business.
> > Since it is always on, it couldn't be more on if I bought "business"
> > service. The real issue is
> > bandwidth used. Theoretically, a business using a VPN connection to
> > telecommute would use more
> > bandwidth than a "home" user, and thus should pay more. Fine.
> So base the
> > pricing on bandwidth
> > used, not whether there is a VPN connected. I would like to
> connect a VPN
> to
> > my "home" cable
> > modem, but from the sounds of some of the discussions, I doubt it is
> > possible without an upgrade
> > to "business". Since I am not getting notified from ATT that my use is
> > excessive, as I certainly
> > would be if I hooked a website up to my cable modem,  I must
> not be using
> > too much bandwidth. If
> > a light useage VPN would not significantly increase bandwidth
> useage, what
> > is the problem?
> >
> > "Carl E. Mankinen" wrote:
> >
> > > I can say with utmost certainty, that several of the broadband service
> > providers are in fact
> > > blocking ports required for VPN's, IPSec, IKE, etc.
> > >
> > > They do this in a bootfile that is loaded shortly after the cablemodem
> > finishes ranging and
> > > establishes block sync. In a DOCSIS compliant bridge, these bootfiles
> have
> > what look
> > > like access-lists and they load the appropriate bootfile depending on
> your
> > service contract.
> > >
> > > Home accounts are for "personal" use. Not for always-on VPN "business"
> > use.
> > > If businesses wish to have employees telecommute, they must
> get business
> > accounts to do it.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joseph S D Yao" <jsdy at COSPO.OSIS.GOV>
> > > To: <VPN at SECURITYFOCUS.COM>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 8:57 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Help
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 12:59:45PM -0700, Steve Goldhaber wrote:
> > > > > I wouldn't think that your ISP is doing anything here. ...
> > > >
> > > > There are ISPs who recently have started blocking IPsec tunnels on
> home
> > > > service.  This is so that they can charge you for business service
> > > > instead.  Quy will need to check any recent announcements
> on the ISP's
> > > > Web page.
> > > >
> > > > RoadRunner in our area has started doing this.  ;-(
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Joe Yao jsdy at cospo.osis.gov - Joseph S. D. Yao
> > > > COSPO/OSIS Computer Support EMT-B
> > > >
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