New VPN Installation

Randy Burgess celusil at WWA.COM
Fri Jan 12 16:32:57 EST 2001

Carl, Thanks for the note of incredulity. I find it hard to believe myself.

BTW, to the entire list - thank you all very much for the many helpful

We have a deal for T1 lines from all of our buildings to the internet. The
project has been broken down into phases.  Phase 1 Ameritech (our telco) runs
the T1 to the buildings. (almost complete as I write this) Phase 2 our (isp)
provider enables ethernet handoff to our management offices for internet
connectivity. (This is occuring now and should be complete in 2-3 weeks.)

The 3rd phase is me - and I'm gathering facts for a good VPN solution.
Apparently that's a little more complicated than I had originally thought. There
are a lot of options. To complicate it even more - the main application we want
to use over the VPN is Timberline which one consultant I have spoken to has said
won't work over T1. I have to verify this - but if true I might have to use
citrix applications servers. The cost for that might be unacceptable.

The March first deadline, with these other problems now surfacing, doesn't seem
as atainable as it once did.


Carl Friedberg wrote:

> This sounds utterly impossible (6 weeks). If you have a consulting firm that
> will do it with a time-penalty clause, I'd go with that, with 1 year of
> maintenance it might be worth it. Make sure there's a clear way to get out
> of the contract after some period of time like a year. By the end of the
> year, you'll know a lot more than you do now :-)
> How in hell can anyone order DSL lines now and get them installed AND
> WORKING by March 1st? The last T1 we ordered in NYC area was impacted by the
> Verizon strike, ordered in April, working in October, told ATT it was
> working end of November... maybe Chicago is much faster on T1's...
> Just learning how to set up proper routes and ACL's in your border routers
> is gonna make your head spin if you haven't done this before. Firewalls and
> VPN is an order of magnitude worse...
> Carl Friedberg
> carl at
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Burgess [mailto:celusil%WWA.COM at]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:00 PM
> To: VPN
> Subject: New VPN Installation
> Greetings All.
> I am a new member of the list, I have been in IT management for @15
> years
> I have read the Faq and some of the How to's on the web page and I'm
> still swimming a little bit.  I think I understand some of the basics
> but actually getting started seems difficult for me.
> I have a March 1st deadline for VPN connectivity to corporate from @15+
> buildings (3-10 users per building) There are also remote user
> possibilities.
> We have an agreement for T1 lines to the internet for almost all of the
> buildings and a couple will use DSL.
> My firm has a very strong bottom line ethic they absolutely want the
> cheapest.  Me, I want the easiest.
> After reading stuff here and elswhere, I don't think I can leap into
> Linux - I know nothing about it. A hardware solutions seems to be the
> easiest.  I have spoken to one consulting firm, however they apparently
> aren't willing to buy the routers for me set them up and leave. They
> want a monthly per user per building fee.
> What I'm really looking for is a consulting company in Chicago that will
> help me implement the corporate side and teach me to implement the
> building side then go away.  (Anybody know someone like that?)
> Alternatively, I need a fast track learning solution so that I can do it
> myself.
> Questions for this group:
> 1. am I dreaming, is this not learnable in the amount of time given?
> 2. Is a monthly fee prettty standard even if your not leasing equipment
> or T1 lines?
> 3. Is this an inappropriate posting for the list?
> Randy Burgess
> celusil at
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